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#19689: "Manual scoring + muggins variant (failing at scoring benefits the opponent)"

rejected: Gli sviluppatori pensano non sia una buona idea o che il rapporto costo/benefici sia troppo alto

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22 Jun 2020 08:55 • Alb1979 • Questo suggerimento non è stato ancora analizzato dagli sviluppatori:

Suggestion

22 Jun 2020 13:59 • MikeIsHere • Gli sviluppatori vorrebbero più informazioni riguardo questo suggerimento:

Thank you for the suggestion and the testing.

I have been tossing around the idea of muggings,
There are a couple of issues I can't get around
First it would slow down the game as each player would have to wait for the count, and an extra "turn" in turn based games, but if both players agree to this style it is no big issue.

Another is the UI
BGA GuideLines state

II-2 Use left clic only● The whole game should be playable with only simple left button mouse clicks.● Context menus should not be used.●Dragndrop should be avoided (if you want to use it anyway, you should make a click basedalternative available).● Mouse icon must change on cliquable elements (« cursor:pointer » CSS property)..

So I would have to display a grid of 29 buttons (0-29) or of 3 buttons +/-/OK and the user would have to click up to 29 times (if they are lucky)

The final hurdle is the muggins themselves,
I would have to display this interface to both players all the time, if I only give the opponent an opportunity to correct the count when a miscount is done then that would tip the player off that something was miscounted.
Then how would each situation be handled

Player A | Player B
---------------------------
correct | correct -- this is easy
correct | higher -- should there be a penalty*
correct | lower -- **
lower | lower than Player A
lower | higher than Player A
higher | lower than Player A
higher | higher than Player A

*from section 10.4a of the American Cribbage College rule book
If the judges determine that the play
was not a muggins, the opponent will be awarded
the points taken as a penalty.

** 10.4a
If the true amount
of underpegging is determined to be other than
the amount originally claimed, the caller is entitled only to the lesser of the claimed or true
amounts. In no case shall the amount of points
awarded for muggins exceed the actual number
of holes that could have been pegged had the
scoring been correctly done.

www.cribbage.org/NewSite/rules/ACCRuleBook2016.pdf

I am open to any suggestions, especially variants that will give BGA players more ways to play, I just don't know how to overcome these hurdles. Please feel free to offer more feedback

23 Jun 2020 14:32 • Alb1979 • Gli sviluppatori vorrebbero più informazioni riguardo questo suggerimento:

Thanks for at least considering it! So i have no idea about programming, so I can't give you any feedback on that. But I was thinking of selecting the cards that form a pair/run/whatever that can be scored and then clicking on a button to validate, then selecting the cards that form the next thing that can be scored, and again clicking on validating. Then a button validate the whole scoring, so if there are points missing at that point, they are given to the opponent.

13 Sep 2020 05:48 • Nisterius • Gli sviluppatori vorrebbero più informazioni riguardo questo suggerimento:

The way I've seen it in other apps is that you just click your card combos in sequence, and if you select a combo in the "real scoring list", it adds it in: Like, say,
4 - 5 - 5 - 6
You'd click
5 - 5 - "score" : +2 pair
4 - 5 - 6 - "score" : +2 15
4 - 5- 6 - "score" : +2 15
4 - 5- 6 - "score" : +3 run
4 - 5- 6 - "score" : +3 run

just selecting and clicking "score" the way you select and put in the crib.

have "score" and "done" in the action bar.

A "simplistic" muggins would be to just _give_ to the opponent anything they missed, without making her do anything!
Otherwise you could then just give them same UI to the opponent who would just click "done" or click the missing scoring things.

14 Sep 2020 12:01 • MikeIsHere • Gli sviluppatori vorrebbero più informazioni riguardo questo suggerimento:

So what is the penalty for over clicking?

9 Oct 2020 20:30 • Nisterius • Gli sviluppatori vorrebbero più informazioni riguardo questo suggerimento:

I just learned that there is no notification if there are further comments on a thread you've commented on, so I thought to check back. I'd say, no penalty for overclicking - maybe just only even enable the "score" button if a scoring combo is selected. So, nothing selected: <score> [done] (with score disabled.). Click 4-5-6, [score] [done] (click score, get your 2, all cards deselected). You'd have to reselect them all; and if you selected "too many" or a "non-combo" like "4-6" or something - again, <score> is disabled. You could "find your way to avoiding muggins" that way, yes, but only with "a lot of work" which is sort of like real life.

6 Sep 2023 01:29 • Jupiterninja • Gli sviluppatori vorrebbero più informazioni riguardo questo suggerimento:

I know nothing about programming on BGA, but in relation to the buttons issue, can you not just have each player input the amount of points in a numbers-only text field? I see automatic text comparisons all the time in Just One and the Decrypto tie breaker.

27 Sep 2025 19:29 • crableybradtree • Gli sviluppatori pensano non sia una buona idea o che il rapporto costo/benefici sia troppo alto:

Muggins suggestions rejected due to complexity of implementation and slowing of game play.

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